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Amber_1010
Senior Member
Hong Kong
Chinese-Cantonese
- Nov 26, 2013
- #1
Hello!
I've learned the IPA and I'm wondering how native speakers pronounce the verb "likes", as in "She likes me."
Is there a slight 'k' sound?
For example, when you pronounce the alphabet "x", do you pronounce a small, tiny 'k' sound before you pronounce the s sound sound?
Please tell me.
Thank you!
sound shift
Senior Member
Derby (central England)
English - England
- Nov 26, 2013
- #2
Hello,
Why do you use the words "slight" and "tiny"? I pronounce the "K" and don't know anyone who doesn't.
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Edinburgher
Senior Member
Scotland
German/English bilingual
- Nov 26, 2013
- #3
There is a huge great big 'k' sound, not a slight, small, tiny one.
/laɪks/
If you look up likes at http://www.wordreference.com/definition/likes there are pronunciation buttons where you can hear the word both in US and UK versions.
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Amber_1010
Senior Member
Hong Kong
Chinese-Cantonese
- Nov 26, 2013
- #4
Oh. I thought it was just a small k sound, so it is actually a big, normal one?
I pronounce the k sound in "exactly". Is it the same concept here?
Thanks again.
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pob14
Senior Member
Central Illinois
American English
- Nov 26, 2013
- #5
I pronounce "exactly" as if it started with "eggs." This may be a Midwesternism; I'm not sure.
I definitely pronounce a strong K in "likes." Not really similar at all, to me.
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Amber_1010
Senior Member
Hong Kong
Chinese-Cantonese
- Nov 26, 2013
- #6
What about the k in 'contact'?
Like "A fear of physical contact."
I think native speakers always pronounce the k sound, and then pronounce the t sound.
But I was taught people left out the k sound in this word.
Thank you again!
sound shift
Senior Member
Derby (central England)
English - England
- Nov 26, 2013
- #7
Amber_1010 said:
What about the k in 'contact'?
Like "A fear of physical contact."I think native speakers always pronounce the k sound, and then pronounce the t sound.
But I was taught people left out the k sound in this word.
If we left it out, it would sound like "contat", and I have never heard that. The consonant cluster in this word does not pose a problem to native speakers.
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Edinburgher
Senior Member
Scotland
German/English bilingual
- Nov 26, 2013
- #8
pob14 said:
I pronounce "exactly" as if it started with "eggs." This may be a Midwesternism; I'm not sure.
No, that's no abnormalism. Even the dictionaries think that's how it should be said.
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Amber_1010
Senior Member
Hong Kong
Chinese-Cantonese
- Nov 26, 2013
- #9
I kind of understand. But I'm still quite confused.
Would you mind telling mind how you pronounce the underlined words here, whether you pronounce the 'k' sound?
1. I
liked it. (Do you say the 'k' sound here?)
2. I have lost
with her. (Do you pronounce the 'k' sound before saying the with?)
3. Please
us. ( In 'contact us', when you pronounce it, linking up the words, does it sound 'conta(kus)' (with the k sound, t sound disappears) or 'contatus' (links with the t, without the k sound?)
Thank you very much!
cyberpedant
Senior Member
North Adams, MA
English USA, Northeast, NYC
- Nov 26, 2013
- #10
There is a strong /k/ in all of those words. Are /k/s pronounced softly in your native language?
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Edinburgher
Senior Member
Scotland
German/English bilingual
- Nov 26, 2013
- #11
In all three cases, we pronounce both the K and the T strongly. Nothing disappears.
In 1 and 3, there is no stop after the T. The "it" or "us" follow immediately with no gap, as if it had been written "like tit" or "contac tuss".
In 2, the gap is also minimal. The "with" begins with a 'u'-like sound: kontaktuith.
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Amber_1010
Senior Member
Hong Kong
Chinese-Cantonese
- Nov 27, 2013
- #12
cyberpedant said:
There is a strong /k/ in all of those words. Are /k/s pronounced softly in your native language?
Do you mean there is a strong k sound in all of the words in post 9?
In my native language, we don't pronounce it.
Thanks again.
cyberpedant
Senior Member
North Adams, MA
English USA, Northeast, NYC
- Nov 27, 2013
- #13
There is a strong (actually, what I would consider normal) /k/ sound in "liked" and "contact." (Note, there are 2 /k/s in /ˈkɒntækt/.)
How do you pronounce the first consonant in "Cantonese"? —Or maybe you don't?
cyberpedant
Senior Member
North Adams, MA
English USA, Northeast, NYC
- Nov 27, 2013
- #14
Check this site out. It has excellent graphics and clear sound:
Phonetics: The Sounds of American English
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SgtBullmoose
Member
Berlin
English - Canadian and UK
- Nov 27, 2013
- #15
There's always a k.
UK phoenetics: |lʌɪks|
US phoenetics: |laɪks|
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brianleung
Member
Cantonese
- Nov 28, 2013
- #16
Amber_1010 said:
Do you mean there is a strong k sound in all of the words in post 9?
In my native language, we don't pronounce it.
Thanks again.
I'm afraid I have to disagree with you. In our native language (if you are referring to Cantonese), there
isa k sound. What you mean, I think, is that when a lot of people here say the word "contact", for example, they just don't realise the existence of the k sound before the t sound.
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Giorgio Spizzi
Senior Member
Italian
- Nov 28, 2013
- #17
That's quite normal, brian: the second /k/ in "contact" is definitely more weakly articulated than the first. GS
Also, it's not characterized by the "aspiration" — typical of all initial plosives /p, t, k, b, d, g/ — which is present in the first "c".
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brianleung
Member
Cantonese
- Nov 28, 2013
- #18
GS, do you mean it's normal for people to overlook the existence of the k sound in the /kt/ cluster?
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Giorgio Spizzi
Senior Member
Italian
- Nov 28, 2013
- #19
Not at all, brian.
What I mean is that it's normal for you to perceive a difference between the first "c" and the second.
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entangledbank
Senior Member
London
English - South-East England
- Nov 28, 2013
- #20
The first /k/ is common to English and Cantonese - it's only those at the ends of syllables that can cause problems. In Cantonese a final /k/ is unreleased - there is no release (explosion/aspiration) after it. It is possible to say English /k/ like this too, in words like like or book, though we more usually give it release. Phonetically, this is probably quite similar to how we say /k/ before another stop, as in act. The mouth shapes the vowel to approach the [k] sound, then changes to [t] and only releases on the [t]. Before a fricative, as in likes, there would be explosion: the [k] is released into the [s].
Like all the Chinese languages, Cantonese has no clusters, so English groups like /ks/ and /kt/ are hard to hear and to produce. My advice would be to practise by over-emphasizing the /k/ rather than being tempted to leave it out.
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brianleung
Member
Cantonese
- Nov 29, 2013
- #21
Giorgio Spizzi said:
Not at all, brian.
What I mean is that it's normal for you to perceive a difference between the first "c" and the second.
GS
Thanks for clarifying, GS
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brianleung
Member
Cantonese
- Nov 29, 2013
- #22
entangledbank said:
Like all the Chinese languages, Cantonese has no clusters, so English groups like /ks/ and /kt/ are hard to hear and to produce. My advice would be to practise by over-emphasizing the /k/ rather than being tempted to leave it out.
Thanks for the explanation. Good advice indeed!
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EdisonBhola
Senior Member
Korean
- Feb 19, 2018
- #23
I was once taught that when a plosive (e.g. /k/) is followed by a consonant, the plosive is often pronounced in an incomplete manner, i.e. we block the airflow (e.g. close the glottis in the case of /k/, or close the lips in the case of /p/), build up pressure, but without the final release of air.
Have I been taught wrongly?
Of course I trust you guys more since you are native speakers.
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